Metro XFI Cam Advance Experiment

I drove the car for a full tank of gas with the cam at 11 degrees advanced–mainly because of the bad weather I did not feel like changing it back. The car accelerates erratically and surges badly at 11 degrees. Also it knocks very easily, so the best I could do was to run the ignition at 3 degrees advanced without knock. I got 49 mpg on that tank, and even though the number is higher than the number on my test run, I still do not think updating the chart will help. It is pretty obvious where the peak of the curve will fall if the chart was smoothed out, so anything over 5 degrees advanced is a waste of time on the XFI camshaft.

With the car at -2 degrees, I could really crank up the ignition timing, so that probably helped the mileage. The car ran great and was more than happy to spin the tires when pulling out if I was not careful with the clutch and throttle. The acceleration was really good, and the top end seemed to keep on going. I think the car with the gears it has in it now would probably do really well at higher speeds only at 2 degrees retarded, but the bottom end of the car I could tell had less power, and it did not like at all being in gear under 1500 RPM. It would buck and jerk pretty badly. It kicked so hard that it pulled the ignition wire out of the coil once while driving it slowly, killing the motor. I had to pull over to the side of the road and put it back on. At 2000 RPM and higher, it felt great though. After driving it with the cam like that, I got an idea for another experiment if I ever have time–to compare the cam position and the rpm in 5th gear to find where it gets peak mileage. I bet if I did that, the peak would be at around 2700 RPM for -2 and under 2000 for +5 degrees advanced. I am not sure what those peak MPG numbers would be, but it would be an interesting experiment.

The car did not feel much different in the 0 to 5 degrees advanced range. It picks up a bit more bottom end grunt at around 5, and I can drive 20 mph in 5th gear and still accelerate without trouble. The top end is slightly less than stock, but if you are trying to get better mileage, you are not supposed to be running over 4000 RPM anyway. It drives smooth and has good power going up hills without downshifting. I really think if the curve was calculated perfectly, it would be pretty flat from 2-5. After doing the test in 1 degree increments, I should be able to show that it really isn’t a peak. I like the way the car drives with the cam in this range, so I think that from the numbers I have so far that 3 degrees advanced seems ideal even though it can probably be 2-4 degrees and not make a difference.

I will try and do this test when the weather finally breaks and I don’t have to work on the car in the cold and snow. I like the way the car feels at 3 degrees advanced, so for now the car will stay at 3 degrees. I can run 6 degrees of ignition advance, so it seems pretty good all around and should get me the best mileage possible. For anyone interested in changing their cam timing, it is pretty easy to do, but keep in mind my car has higher compression than stock, so it cannot tolerate the cam being advanced as much as a stock car. If you are running the stock head, I would add probably 2-3 degrees to my numbers.

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8 Responses to “Metro XFI Cam Advance Experiment”

  1. What are the differences between a base Metro and a Metro XFi?
    Thanks,
    Dan

  2. you got it my friend.the difference is only the ingection.both they have the same engine G10 -993cc,55 hp.i took off the ingection system from geo metro xfi and i put it after that on my geo metro regular and now i have 55 mpg .i am very happy to have the most fuel efiicient car in USA except Honda Insight but it is about 20.000 $ and it is only two seat car.it has only 2 seats. you can have the same MPG if your Geo is 3 cilinder and manual transmission. thank you YAVOR

  3. The XFI model has different ignition than standart model?

  4. You can counteract the surging by holding the throttle at 2000-3000 rpm and adjusting your TPS. I got the best throttle response and driveabilty by tuning my TPS to match what mods I’ve done. It will surge at the stock setting, and just turn it back and forth until it smooths out and revs quick. Lock it down when you get a sweet spot.

    I love these cars. I used to hate them, until I bought one.

    Keep up the good work.

  5. No, like Rick said, the cam, the computer, and the gear ratio are all different. The XFI has the smallest cam and the tallest gear. The computer is programmed to work with these differences. Even an XFI cam and computer will help mileage.

    I got tired of the three, and installed a Suzuki Swift GTi twincam four cylinder engine in mine. While losing mileage, it gained tons o fun, and still get as good of mileage as a Saturn.

  6. Did milling the head .040 get you any more mpg? Jeff

  7. I have a 91 geo LSI convertable, /gets about 31mpg. Will having cam ground to XFI specs and that alone help the mileage?

  8. Hi, I have purchased a 1992 LSI Yellow Convertable. I get between 39 and 44. I am wanting better MPG. I purchased a reground cam and a set of pistons. I do not know anything about working on motors so I am going to have to find a mechanic to install these. I really want your opnion on if I will see a difference in MPG. I bought the car for $1900.00.

    Thanks,

    Deas M. Richardson Jr.